Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance [ARI] Conference call transcript for 2023 q3
2023-10-31 12:15:26
Fiscal: 2023 q3
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Stuart A. Rothstein: Good morning, and thank you for joining us on the Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance, Inc. third quarter 2023 earnings call. I am joined today by Chief Investment Officer, Scott Weiner; and Anastasia Mironova, ARI's Chief Financial Officer. ARI had another quarter of distributable earnings in excess of the common stock dividend, benefiting from elevated base rates in the company's $8 billion floating rate loan portfolio. For the first nine months of 2023, ARI reported distributable earnings prior to net realized loss on investments and realized gain on extinguishment of debt of $1.33 resulting in a dividend per share covered ratio of approximately 1.3 times. The higher rate environment continues to impact all aspects of the real estate market. For most of the year, the dialogue has focused on the Fed's use of short-term rate hikes to reduce the rate of inflation. However, more notable today is the recent sharp increase in five and ten year treasury rates. Over the past several weeks, the ten year treasury has neared 5%, and since ARI's Q1 earnings call, the yield on five year and ten year treasuries has risen 139 and 126 basis points, respectively. While the market is still adjusting to this quick move upwards in longer rates, the historical relationship between cap rate and long-term interest rates would indicate that property values are biased towards adjusting downward in light of the elevated interest rate environment. In addition to rates, uncertainty with respect to the short and medium term trajectory of the economy is also weighing on valuations. Recent earnings reports from bellwether companies have been mixed. The employment market remains robust and the Q3 GDP print was actually quite strong. However, there have been multiple other measures of economic activity that indicate the economy is in fact slowing. As such, the narrative around commercial real estate remains focused on underlying property valuations, borrower's ability to refinance and the potential impact on property level operating performance, if in fact, the economy is slowing and moving towards a potential recession. While the debate within the industry on these topics continues, the general sentiment around the industry remains bearish. Until such time that rates are perceived as somewhat stable, and valuations adjust accordingly, we expect that transaction volumes will stay well below prior levels. In light of this backdrop, ARI strategy and focus have remained consistent throughout 2023 with an emphasis on active balance sheet and asset management. Year-to-date ARI has received $1 billion from loan repayments, including $286 million in the third quarter. Of the $1 billion approximately $520 million was from the full repayment of eight loans in the portfolio, a $140 million came from asset sales and the remainder mostly reflects partial pay downs from borrowers in exchange for extensions in loan term. We continue to have a productive dialogue with our borrowers many of whom are some of the largest and most well capitalized real estate sponsors in the world. Their willingness and ability to support their properties has led to constructive conversations for loan modifications and extensions. Importantly, we have dealt with the near-term maturities in our office loan portfolio with no significant office maturity until 2025. As a reminder, office loans make up only 19% of ARI's portfolio with more than half the loans secured by properties in Europe, where we are seeing better operating fundamentals across the asset class. Beyond office exposures, the credit quality of ARI's portfolio remained stable and during the quarter ARI did not record any incremental asset specific CECL reserves. With respect to the Steinway project, during the quarter, ARI received $45 million from condo sales. At present, there are additional units under contract that we expect will close in the coming months. More importantly, there is an active dialogue, including contract negotiation on another handful of units, and consistent foot track on a weekly basis. While there is still much to be done, we are encouraged by the recent level of interest and activity. Shifting to the right side of the company's balance sheet, in October, ARI utilized on hand liquidity to repay the remaining $176 million of principle of the convertible notes that matured at par. ARI ended the quarter with approximately $480 million of total liquidity, which we believe provides ample cushion to manage a range of economic outcomes in the broader macro landscape as well as have dry powder to capitalize on interesting or unique opportunities that ARI has the benefit of seeing as part of the broader Apollo platform. With that, I will turn the call over to Anastasia to review our financial results.
Anastasia Mironova: Thank you, Stuart, and good morning, everyone. ARI produced another consistent quarter of financial results in Q3, with distributable earnings of $52.7 million or $0.37 per share. We declared a common stock dividend of $0.35 per share, which translates to an annualized dividend yield of approximately 15% used in yesterday's closing price. GAAP net income available to common stockholders was $43 million or $0.30 per diluted share of common stock. ARI's portfolio ended the quarter with an amortized cost basis of $8 billion and the weighted average unlevered yield of 8.9%. During the quarter, we funded $97 million of add-on fundings from previously closed loans and received $286 million in loan repayments, including $170 million of full repayments across four transactions. There was no incremental specific CECL allowance taken during the quarter. General CECL allowance declined by $5.8 million and stands at 40 basis points of the loan portfolio's amortized cost basis, as of September 30. The decrease in the general CECL allowance is primarily attributable to loan repayment activity outpacing fundings and overall portfolio seasoning. Our total CECL allowance as of September 30 is a 274 basis points of the loan portfolio's amortized cost basis, four basis points increase compared to June 30. ARI's book value per share excluding general CECL reserves and depreciation was $14.74, relatively flat to last quarter end. With respect to ARI’s borrowings, we are in compliance with all covenants, and continue to maintain strong liquidity. As Stuart mentioned, ARI repaid the $176 million of convertible notes that came due in October with cash on hand. With this repayment, our next corporate debt maturity is not until 2026. At the end of the quarter, we had $805 million of unencumbered real estate assets and $480 million of total liquidity. Total liquidity comprised of cash on hand, cash proceeds held by the servicer and undrawn credit capacity on existing facilities. Our debt to equity ratio at quarter end was 2.8 times. And with that, we would like to open the line for questions. Operator, please go ahead.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Sarah Barcomb with BTIG. You may proceed.
Sarah Barcomb: Hey, everyone. Thanks for taking the question. I was hoping you could talk about the opportunity set that's out there to put money to work given liquidity is looking good. There weren't meaningful risk migrations during the quarter, maybe opportunities in your own capital structure or in the new loan origination market?
Stuart A. Rothstein: Yes, look, I would say, Sarah, to be fair, over the last four weeks, plus or minus, I would say we've been earnest started, looking at opportunities that might work for ARI and are actually, sort of actively thinking about things for ARI. I would say at a high level, as we think about opportunities for ARI today, I think there are things broadly speaking in the U.S. that would be, sort of, in the sulfur plus call it, four to mid fours range in property types. There's industrial, there's hotel, some construction maybe though not likely and certainly no office exposure. I would say similar type of opportunities potentially in Europe. As a firm, broadly speaking, year-to-date, we've probably done close to $6.5 billion to $7 billion worth of commitments. So we're in the market on a daily basis and certainly have a sense of where things, are available to us. And I would say the change over the last four weeks or so have been less about what's taking place in terms of opportunities and us getting a little bit more comfortable in terms of where we are both in terms of the existing portfolio and the liquidity profile on a go-forward basis.
Sarah Barcomb: Okay. Thank you. And then we'll see what happens at the at the Fed meeting this week, but currently the forward curve is calling for a bit of a pivot in the first half of next year. I'm just curious how your outlook for those one to three rated assets, the stronger credits in your portfolio. How does your outlook for those change, if we are in the hire for longer camp and we see so far stay at these levels for longer next year?
Stuart A. Rothstein: Yes, I mean, I think, as we think about the world, it's almost in some respects less about the shorter end of the curve and more about some stability at the longer end of the curve. If you think about this year during the first half of this year, there was a pretty robust fixed rate financing market around 6% when the five year was lower than it is today and people felt like things had, sort of, were range bound in some respects, that shifted a bit, given the move upward in the, call it the medium to long end of the curve. I think from our perspective, as I think about transaction activity, capital coming back into the market, people getting more confident around what cap rates or valuations may be. It's more about some level of confidence that the five to ten year is somewhat range bound, and then people can start underwriting, valuations around those levels and think about what financings are at those levels. So, not to dismiss what the impact of a Fed move may or may not be on the, sort of, the short-term volatility in the market. I think what the market is actually looking for from a real estate perspective, it's some sense that rates are sort of, on the five to ten year level range bound. And then people can start looking to historical relationships between the cap rates and five and ten year treasuries as they think about value.
Sarah Barcomb: Thanks for the comments.
Stuart A. Rothstein: Sure.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Stephen Laws with Raymond James. You may proceed.
Stephen Laws: Hi, good morning. Appreciate the breakout on the office metrics and Stuart, your comments about the over half your exposures in Europe. Can you spend some time talking about the difference in the two markets, kind of at a higher level, but also maybe the difference within your portfolio, is it lower attachment points in Europe? Is it something different inside the loan outside of just the larger macro environment around better work in the office trends in Europe?
Stuart A. Rothstein: Yes, look, I think the high level comment or the obviously the biggest factor from our perspective is obviously just the use case for office space in Europe versus the U.S, right. There's no, there's not the same debate in Europe in terms of return to office that we've experienced here in certain markets in the U.S. I think the other thing I would say about Europe is that, unlike the U.S. where there is clearly a transition going on between what we would traditionally call the legacy gateway city markets to other markets that may be more in favor long-term due to cost of living, tax policy, etcetera. I think the markets in Europe are still the markets in Europe that we are sort of are the bellwether markets. We've tended to stick to the major markets, in Western Europe. And then I think the other thing that is relevant in Europe that really impacts the viability of an asset, and furthers the need for more modern assets is the much more serious impact of ESG around leasing concerns, financing concerns, equity concerns in Europe that exists here in the U.S.
Stephen Laws: Appreciate those comments. And as a follow-up, I wanted to switch over to the REO assets. Can you talk about the outlook for those from both the timing of potential resolutions, but also seasonality and how we should expect to see any seasonal impacts in the coming quarters?
Stuart A. Rothstein: Yes. So, start with the DC Hotel. As you've heard me say on prior earnings calls, the performance of the hotel for this year has, well exceeded expectations and the hotel is performing at levels in excess of where it was performing pre-pandemic. We continue to remain optimistic about the performance of the hotel looking out to next year as we start to go through the budgeting cycle and forecasting cycle for next year. That being said, there's certainly some seasonality component around the hotel. Obviously, right now, we're at a one of the slower periods of the hotel. There'll obviously be a pickup around holiday time. Then you'll get a slowdown in the early part of next year, and then it will ramp through the spring and summer tourist season. But very encouraged by the performance of the DC Hotel. I would say the Atlanta Hotel performance has improved, but it is not improved at the same rate as we're seeing in the DC Hotel. I think as you all know from my past comments. That is a hotel that historically was a little bit more based on business as well as convention traffic flow. That being said, we have continued to remain in dialogue with a couple of potential parties around, the sale of the hotel, certainly no guarantees that a sale of the hotel occurs, but I would say the dialogue we're having around the hotel certainly gives us confident with respect to where the hotel is marked in our portfolio at this point. And then obviously only other REO asset is the development in Brooklyn, which continues apace, but that will be a multiyear process to get that hotel built and then leased up but it is moving along nicely at this point.
Stephen Laws: Great. Appreciate the comments this morning Stuart.
Stuart A. Rothstein: Sure.
Operator: One moment for questions. Our next question comes from Rick Shane with JP Morgan.
Richard Shane: Thanks for taking my questions this morning everybody. A couple of things. Obviously, good progress on the liquidity side, paid down the converts, repayments solid this quarter. Sarah's first question was regarding the opportunity to deploy capital into new assets. When I look at the discount to book value and the yields that you're describing in terms of new opportunities so for plus 4%. I'm curious, doesn't it make more sense to buy back stock, given the economic return on that, both from a dividend perspective and also from a book value accretion perspective?
Stuart A. Rothstein: Yes. Look, it's and I think even I have talked about this several quarters back, Rick. It's always on our radar screen. When it's always something we think about. I think we do have countervailing concerns around at some point with respect to shrinking the company and what that affords us in terms of the right capital structure on a go forward basis is always part of the -- part of the analysis. But yes, we, you know, and I should have responded to Sarah's comment. In addition to looking at new opportunities for ARI, we certainly also follow closely what’s going on with the common stock and where its trading etcetera. We are not likely to do anything in the other parts of the capital structure to be honest with you because we think we've got very attractive long term liabilities in place. But it's on the radar screen. There's a constant debate that we have both internally and with our, board around momentary buybacks versus long term viability and investment in the business. And as a company that has bought a significant amount of stock back, in prior years and we're probably the most active buyer of our stock during the pandemic. It certainly could be the right moment in time trade, but past experience would indicate, it doesn't really do much for the business long term and whatever effects it may or may not have on the stock are somewhat fleeting, but we certainly think about it vis-a-vis putting new dollars out as a way to protect book value and also as a right economic decision. So it's definitely on the radar screen.
Scott Weiner: This is Scott. I'd also add to clarify, when we're talking about Stuart reference the so for the plus 400, that's on unlevered basis. The loan level financing is readily available today. So as we're looking at deals, we're solving for, I would say, a mid-teen levered IRR. So not just doing unlevered loans at plus 400.
Stuart A. Rothstein: Good points, Scott.
Richard Shane: Understood. Thank you. And I guess when you if or when you start buying back stock, I'll have to think of a second question. So I don't know if that'll enter into your calculus or at all or not. Second thing I did want to ask this quarter was, were there any repurchases from the CLO that we should be aware of?
Scott Weiner: We don't have a CLO.
Richard Shane: For the secured financing, I apologize.
Scott Weiner: Not on our part. No.
Richard Shane: Okay. Thank you.
Operator: [Operator Instructions]. Our next question comes from Jade Rahmani with KBW. You may proceed.
Jade Rahmani: Thank you very much. Wanted to ask about your broader credit view across all the pools of capital that you oversee and manage, would you characterize third quarter as stable, or did you see pockets of pressure? And more importantly, what would be your outlook, in the fourth quarter and for next year?
Stuart A. Rothstein: Jade just to clarify, are you talking – Jade just to clarify are you talking about appetite to continue to put dollars out across the portfolio or more about credit performance of what we've got outstanding already?
Jade Rahmani: Credit performance of what's outstanding already. And if you could talk to ARI's portfolio as well as more broadly, you know, across all the pools of capital that you oversee.
Scott Weiner: Yeah. Hey, Jade, it's Scott. Look, I would say, it obviously depends on property type and geography. But I would say, we would continue to see the fundamentals being strong. Again, I'll exclude office, but whether you're looking at multifamily retail, self-storage, industrial, we continue to see, I would say even improving NOI. Has it slowed down? Absolutely, in particular, certain multifamily markets like Sunbelt, which I think is well publicized in the REIT portfolio. But I would say the fundamentals continue to be strong. I would also say given our the office portfolio that we have across our different vehicles tends to be more Class A ESG, we have seen some positive run. We've also seen leasing getting done. We're spec suites are built out and tenants want that. So I would say overall, generally positive on the fundamentals. Clearly the rise in the long-term interest rate in the 10 year is not necessarily helping people's long-term view of value. So I would say investors and borrowers continue to kind of make decisions on where to allocate their capital. But we do continue to see sponsors putting capital into their deals paying down debt. Literally just got off a phone call and a deal where non-ARI deal where the sponsor is looking for an extension and willing to commit capital on a property. So I would say overall, not much has changed over the past quarter. It just continues to be a lot of blocking and tackling. I would say the one change on interest rates is that there was definitely a lot of people looking to do five year rate borrowing just given the delta between fixed rate borrowing and floating as that five year fixed rate has gone up. It's less of a delta. So I think you're starting to see people go back more to floating, then fixed given the hope by borrowers that rates come down in the near term as opposed to locking in for that five year fixed rate. But continues to be a robust pipeline on financings, including acquisitions. I mean if there continues to be. So way down, but the market, there is still acquisitions across property types.
Jade Rahmani: Thank you very much. Just to focus on Europe for a second. I think some of the banks and funds that take valuation marks in Europe because of the accounting standards there, IFRS accounting, there's been more of a mark-to-market and more of a willingness to take write downs or valuation adjustments. Do you think that is merely an accounting phenomenon, reflecting the impact of rates, or are you starting to see pockets of weakness in Europe as well?
Stuart A. Rothstein: I mean it's -- I mean, look values are down, right? Whether in the US or Europe, I mean, I think that's indisputable. I think you obviously wrote on the US bank. So I think US banks insurance companies are taking marks, there’s obviously a difference, right? If we made a 50% levered loan and values down 20% to 30%, we're still not impaired, but clearly values are down. So I'm not sure the accounting is driving that I'm not sure. But I would say, to Stuart's earlier point, we do see more in office in particular, we do see more liquidity in the office market in Europe in terms of buying and selling. There's been a bunch of trades in London, of late, I think there's some stuff going on in Milan. I would say, again, way down from historical, but there is more activity in the European office market, which again is kind of confirming values being down.
Jade Rahmani: Turning to ARI. Something I've been tracking closely as cash flow from operations and ARI has very strong results, both in the quarter as well as year-to-date relative to the dividend, there's significant coverage. Do you think that has implications for 2024 and the sustainability of the dividend, or would you hold off on making that conclusion?
Scott Weiner: I mean, I think at this point, as we've indicated, we're obviously very comfortable with the dividend for this year, I would say, given our initial forecasting for next year, the goal is to always to keep the dividend at a level that is consistent from quarter to quarter and covered by earnings. We will continue to forecast for next year, but sitting here today, we're certainly expecting a general level of consistency for the dividend.
Jade Rahmani: Thank you for taking the questions.
Operator: Thank you. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Stuart Rothstein for any closing remarks.
Stuart A. Rothstein: Thank you, operator, and thanks to those of you that participated this morning.
Operator: Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
